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Article - March 17, Even before this whole SawStop debacle, the tablesaw was seen as one of the most dangerous tools in the shop. Curious about how dangerous a kickback can be? Either way, there really is no better time than now to think about how one might survive in a post-tablesaw world.

I use it on just about every project. It also has a flame paint job and as a result, it is probably the coolest tool in my shop. But given the current state of things, it would certainly be an interesting exercise to think about how we might otherwise accomplish some common tablesaw tasks. And before you knuckle-dragging Neanderthals said with love start throwing rocks at me, I do realize there are hand tool equivalents for every tablesaw task.

What tasks would you find hard to do without your tablesaw? Or maybe you have some obvious solutions that might benefit others. Nothing rips a board quite as easily and cleanly as a tablesaw. And nothing in the shop can launch a board into outer space with as much gusto as a tablesaw! Consequently, this is something I already use my bandsaw for.

Far too often while ripping long boards, I notice the board cupping in on itself. At the bandsaw, the cutting force is applied downward into the table surface, so even if the wood warps and pinches the blade, it will NOT fly in your belly or face.

The safety benefits here are unquestionable. But what about cut quality? Most bandsaw blades will leave a rough edge. The blade may also drift during the cut drawing your workpiece away from the fence. Any thoughts on how we might overcome these two issues?

For sheetgoods, look no further than the circular saw. Outfitted with a good quality blade and a nice clamping tool guide, you can make some seriously high quality rips in plywood.

You could also take it to the next level and pick up a tracksaw! Whether you use a miter gauge or a cross-cut sled, the tablesaw is incredibly well-suited for cross-cuts.

But what else could we use? You might need to clean up the edge afterwards, but if you own a decent hand saw you probably also own a hand plane and a shooting board. Of course the miter saw is a good alternative for cross-cutting narrower boards too. A circular saw and a track or other guide could certainly be used for wider boards. The only reasonable substitute I can come up with for dados is the router. Even in a fully outfitted shop that includes a tablesaw, the router may very well be the preferred dado-maker.

But when you are making cabinets and you have a bunch of dados and grooves to batch out, is there anything faster than a dado stack in the tablesaw? I am really curious to hear your thoughts on dados and grooves. The tablesaw is my go-to tool for tenons. Even as the proud owner of a Festool Domino, I still tend to make my tenons with a dado stack and a miter gauge.

A more basic alternative might be to simply use the router table. For miters, which are essentially just angled cross-cuts, the miter saw is a perfectly reasonable alternative.

That is, assuming you have a good quality blade and a well-calibrated saw. Bevels, or angled rip cuts, are a little trickier. We might be able to use the bandsaw with the table tilted at an angle, but we would still have all the same ripping concerns mentioned above. Additionally, we have the challenge of fighting gravity due to the tilted table.

A circular saw and a guide can be used to cut a long bevel too, but on narrower workpieces this can be a precarious affair. I am really interested to hear your thoughts on these common tablesaw tasks. What alternative solutions can you come up with and could you actually live without your tablesaw? I really really need it! And my table saw already has government mandated safety features: I have been using tools professionally daily for 20 years. I am the safety feature of my table saw. Knowing the physics of the blade eliminates the 1 table saw injury kick back.

If the blade is set high the blade is pushing the wood downward the length of cut is short. This lifts and bounces the wood causing both kick backs and cut fingers when you fight this. Using feather boards or board buddies keep your hands clear. Saw stop tech only saves you if your not using the tool correctly.

I think it is cheaper to learn how to use the tool than to buy a more expensive idiot proof tool to set up to do table saws jobs with hand tools would also cost more than a delta table saw. On a similar note the two tools most responsible for eye injuries are a screw driver and hammer.

So should we out law those tools or be safe when we use them. Most people I know that have been injured by tools had a lack of safety procedure. One of the jointers height adjusters broke while in use and the table suddenly droppedadjusting the length of my ring finger, but this was not the jointers fault my finger should never have been where it was.

So use any tool you want make sure to understand follow all safety procedures that go with the task and make sure your tools are in good shape. Thank you for the words of wisdom! Circular saw and track jig along with a router gets me by for now. I used a table saw in School 4 years ago, so if i did learn that blade phyisics info, i certainly must have forgot it! I am a newbie…. My blade guard is as useless as teats on a bull so I never use it.

South Florida summers are brutal on metal due to humidity. So, I just got a track saw and do everything with it. All my cuts take forever to make but just learning to set up stop blocks, etc, I can get repeatable cuts. I just make do with the tools I have…router, bandsaw, and hand tools.

Yesterday I experimented cutting tenons on a bandsaw. I was surprised by how well it worked. I just left the tenon a little proud of my line and used a chisel to finesse the fit.

The real I problem I see with this method is when trying to cut a tenon on a longer board I think it would get a little unwieldy. I got into it as a hobby and thought I needed all the power tools. Frankly, the table saw scared the crap outta me and my wife hated it even more. By no means is that my intention, but your last comment is sending my brain off on a tangent.

I have heard lots of folks say something similar concerning hand tools, the journey, and the destination and it always puzzles me. Whether you use hand tools or power tools, there is still an awesomely gratifying journey to be had.

It just depends on which route you want to take and which path you find more pleasurable. As far as the destination goes, I think it is just as if not more important as the journey since without it, we are just making piles of shavings with nothing to show for it. That tangent aside, I commend you on going all hand tools. I could never do it personally, but I think its cool when people do. Right now I have access to a pretty extensive woodworking shop, but that might not always be, and I might not have the money or space for power tools.

Have you ever read anything about the long term effects of hand tool use on the body? Of course people have been doing this for a very long time, but it seems like it might lend itself to carpal tunnel or similar ailments arthritis? Or are these things that one might even face with power tools? I grew up learning with hand tools from my Dad and as I grew, learned the power tools.

The Table saw is a versatile shop tool and most woodworkers claim it as their main shop tool of choice. Sawstop works to prevent your fingers getting cut or sliced up. The better solution is to not put your fingers that close to the saw blade. There are tons of jigs, push sticks, sleds that make this problem easy to solve along with learning proper technique. Common sense and safe technique are main tools in my shop. As for the journey or what I refer to as the pleasures of woodworking… Both power tools and hand tool woodworking provides the gratifying enjoyment of making a beautiful, useful project from wood.

I have and still use both power and hand tools. Very often, Time is a factor and of course power tools rule in that case. I try to reproduce the project again when time is not a factor using exclusively hand tool techniques. It is more of a challenge, but handcrafted woodworking to me is immensely enjoyable and gives me another level of satisfaction and pride. My table saw gets less use every year. It is also my primary crosscutting method. Use the router for dadoes, dove tails, etc, it takes a bit more time on the router table, but it is cleaner and of finer quality… I use my compound sliding miter saw for most miters and bevel work.

For Tenons, I use the band saw and find it easy enuff. Got rid of my table saw too, and do most work with hand tools. I enjoy woodworking so much more now. The table saw is one of the most used and critical tools in my shop. I, for one, will never go without one.

I see woodworking with out a table saw similar to writing without a typewriter, word processor or computer. Super glad I ran into this discussion. Recently my cheap quality Black and Decker table saw took a permanent dump on me.

I currently have no table saw and it might be a little while before I can justify buying one, being that I just purchased a Bosch router. Finding alternative ways to cut and rip are so good to know.

I also subscribe to Wood magazine and they have some great skill builder tips on utilizing certain tasks when a shop is absent of the primary tool for that task. In Jan issue, they show how to make some table saw cuts with the Miter saw. As a beginner wood worker, my shop arsenal is not very impressive. Would we be able to do a list of tools to buy in order for woodworking as a shop grows? Power or hand tool. I know that everyone is a little different with what types of projects they work on.

Since I have kids I went hand tools only because a lot of my time I get to do work is either during naps or at bed time. I do all my joinery by hand and do some basic dimension work on the tablesaw, but I am working to get to a point where I can even do that by hand.

I dont plan on losing the planer though. If you really have a desire to get rid of a tablesaw replace the machine with other machines that do the same work. For example a bandsaw can do the ripping and a mitersaw can do the cross cutting.

Doing a lot of work with sheet goods then build or buy a panel saw. You can also do that work with a Circular saw. I disagree with Dyami on one point you could always write with pen and paper, carve into clay tablets or paint on cave walls: I learned to used power tools from my grandfather and middle-school shop class over 20 years ago.

I thought the best and most versatile tool in the shop was the table saw. I have an older Craftsman contractor saw I modified into a large workstation with an after-market fence, added dust collection, and the MicroJig splitter — I have yet to have an accident and have a healthy respect for safety and the damage the saw can cause. My son is 7 years old and I am teaching him the craft — I will NOT let him use the TS yet though.

I have been following your Podcast along with Matt and Shannon and have seen the value and use of hand tools in addition to the power tools. Recently my son was building a wooden cross with a center double half-lap joint.

With my instruction, he cut the kerfs with a back saw in a plastic miter box, rotated the piece and hacked out the majority of the wood with a chisel, and then we finished up the cut with a router plane and shoulder plane. It actually took less time than setting up the table saw with a dado blade and he had fun.

My eyes are beginning to be opened to how we can use both power and hand tools. They both have their place. Dtiched the table saw a while back. That I got a couple of quid for it was all bonus.

For a hobbyist… there are plenty of ways to cut wood. Given the expense, dust, noise, danger etc etc I think the common narrative that says the table saw is a must have and the centre of a workshop is wrong. A table saw should be something that you add into your woodworking if you feel the need. Does anyone have any advice on the best all around, relatively safe saw? I use the tablesaw a lot. But, for what I like to build I could easily be bandsaw concentric.

With a well tuned bandsaw and a carbide blade, like the Resaw King from Laguna, cuts can be nearly as good as the tablesaw can make. I use high tension on it and offset it from the center because of the teeth. I still managed to avoid any drift. Something I am surprised no one has mentioned yet is track saws. I know there are some woodworkers who use these as TS replacement. I do have the luxury of having a Festool track saw, and the Domino system.

The only thing that is keeping the table saw in the shop is the ripping of long stock lumber. The other deciding factor is that I want to include my kids in the shop with me, and as previously mentioned, there is NO safety feature that is going to eliminate kickback in every situation on a table saw.

I have no affiliation to a manufacturer, and I am sure that there will be some flames on this comment but…. If I thought I could rip really well with something like a Laguna 14 SUV I would buy it over a table saw in a second. I once bought a cheap table saw but never got along with it. After that, I bought a cheap bandsaw, learned to set it up correctly and used that for most of my ripping work, with a circular saw and straight edge to handle sheet materials.

About 18 months ago, I bought another table saw. The price was low but, this was a much better model than before. The only appeal I can see in it is that you can get clean bevel cuts, where a bandsawn finish will always need more work to smooth it.

I have a sliding mitre saw for cross-cutting and I mostly use the router to cut tenons and grooves dadoes. Slightly off topic — I spent two years at North Bennet Street School cabinet and furniture program.

I wish today I had spent more time in the ensuing years in the shop — i have lost most of what I learned unfortunately. The point of this post is that in two years there, about 40 students at a time, some experienced woodworkers, some newbies. A full assortment of power tools. In those two years, BY FAR the worst accident was done with a carving gouge. I am not saying that power tools, tablesaws or otherwise, are not dangerous — certainly they are. But switching to hand tools is not intrinsically safe, or even safer.

I think many people let down their guard with hand tools and raise them with power tools. I am also thankful that I had some fantastic and practical training and rules about using all sorts of power tools drilled into me. Most and me before I had that opportunity of us buy a tool and use it. The manuals often have ridiculously restrictive directions resulting in essentially throwing them aside and ignored.

No matter the the government does, I am thankful I will be able to buy good quality user saws until I am gone! I think I let my guard down more with hand tools. For my brother, it was poor technique with a utility knife. While cutting towards himself, the blade ended up in his knee. I greatly admired the large cabinet style table saw they had.

When I was able to set up my own shop, my table saw quickly became the center of my work shop. Just me, but I would not be a woodworker without one. Watching that kickback video freaked me out.

My next time in the shop, my guard was re-installed. I use my table saw mostly for breaking sheet goods, witch I am using less and less of lately. And added bonus would be that at the end of the day, the tables fold up and the saw and router are in neat boxes. I think the best combination of efficiency and safety for replacing a table saw is a bandsaw and hand tools. Personally, I like to do everything with hand tools, but I also realize that ripping is probably more than most people want to do by hand.

So a bandsaw makes an excellent labor-saver. A bandsaw gives a rip cut roughly equivalent to a ripsaw. Like the hand-cut rip, it can be cleaned up quickly with a jointer you know, a 6 or 7 hand plane, not one of those spinny things! All of the other operations can be done with hand tools without too much effort. Crosscuts, dados, tenons, mitered or compound cuts. A few joinery saws and several specialized shooting boards, plus some chisels and specialized planes will get the job done.

You can achieve very precise control with these tools, even for awkward cuts that have you really scratching your head trying to figure out with a table saw. Unfortunately I hate my band saw, even bought a scroll saw for my more tedious small curved work. My table saw is so old that it did not come with blade guards or riving knife. I go to my table saw with the same respect that I ride my motorcycle with, give it the proper respect and try to install some after market safety features. I bought feather boards and even bought professionally made push sticks to keep my work flat and my hands clear of the blade.

Now I do realize that the table saw is one of the most dangerous machines that we wood workers use in our shop, but I am with the other guys, I have had accidents with my screwdrivers more than any power tool in my shop because we do not respect those as we do machines with the power of a table saw.

I will not give up my table saw even after I buy a better band saw, my chop saw comes in handy for repeated cross cuts but for smooth cuts I always turn to my table saw. And for you hand tool guys, I have done ripping with a hand saw, a straight line and a sore back afterwards, to me with my back problems it is just not worth it and my band saw is unreliable for a straight rip cut and I do not want to spend that much time on my jointer to fix all of the misalignment issues that I have using the band saw that I have.

Agreed on hand sawing for most work that requires set up. My table saw is sued mostly for ripping. I use it for all my projects and with a few jigs it is the most used tool in my shop. However, I do see the dangers they pose. I have had a piece kick back once and end up out in my driveway, I consider that to be a lucky escape and since then I have bought a coupld of featherboards and they have made things safer in my mind.

I was also thinking of buying a couple of magnetic featherboards. Having young kids with a basement shop and a wife that works every weekend. I want to acquire more hand tools so I can do work when the kids are in bed. I have a Ridged contract TS and would rather purchase a nice band saw instead of upgrading the TS.

Just not gonna do it…no way…. Definitely need the table saw. Now some day I will replace my contractor saw with a cabinet…at that point I might consider a saw stop. However regardless my shop will always have a table saw. I worked for years without a table saw and did alright. But I have to confess to borrowing one from time to time for certain special tasks. Same thing with the band saw.

This is said partly tongue-in-cheek and partly out of ignorance… How about a radial arm saw? Real talk; Radial Arm Saw. For years, it was considered the most versatile tool, and a requirement in any shop.

Dadoes, cross-cuts, bevel cuts, slots, shaping, ripping, tenons, coves, drilling, planing, sanding… It might not be the safest solution for any or each of these cuts, but it is very capable and was the go-to stationary power tool before the table saw. If I did not have a table saw in my shop, I would probably had a radial arm saw for crosscuts, dadoes and tenons. I had a cheap contractor saw for 10 years and it has seen very little use over the past 3 years do to my purchase of a Festool TS and MFT.

But I have to be honest I just purchased a SawStop 3hp cabinet saw and I absolutely love it. Steve I think you nailed it. There is a big difference between a cheap contractor saw or a contractor saw in general and cabinet saws. No way would I give up my tablesaw. If all power tool owners use common sense and follow proper safety procedures most accidents could be prevented. IMO all power tools come with a hint of danger.

All very sharp handtools come with a hint of danger. Box cutters come with danger. Keep the table saw if you want. Get rid of yours if you want. Pondering how to tool up the shop. There seems to be different paths. Buy what you need as you need it. Create a shop and then work in it. Buy the right tools the first time or buy cheap then buy again. Power tools or hand tools or both. To name a few. There is the take the project to the saw or the saw to the project ways of thinking and doing.

There seems to be the build something once and move on types or the batch things out types and they each seem to have different needs. Pro vs hobby also. In terms of the central tool of many shops, the table saw, I can see why people would be looking for the alternatives but the danger of them is number one followed perhaps by price and size.

So what if one thinks of it in terms of money? Bandsaw and panel saw? Band saw and track saw? When you think about Rips, Cross-cuts, Dados, Tenons, Miters and Bevels that is a lot of tool to replace. Large, small, hard wood, soft wood sheet goods, it really varies making tool choices a challenge. Tenons, could one batch these out with a Festool track saw rather than make them one by one on the table saw?

Can that be done on a molding machine like the Woodmaster? Not likely that would be the choice for most dado applications.

Has anyone compared the danger of the cabinet saw with the sliding table saw? At first glance, the sliding saw seems safer. Below is an example: There are some REALLY great points made for both sides of this subject here! Not being an avid hand tool woodworker, I am gonna have to say NO. And probably will never reach the point where I can do without my table saw. That being said I will say that I see some validity to such safety devices being produced.

I look at this subject through two sets of optics so to speak. And while I know there are ways out there to complete the same tasks hand tools, routers, etc. Hand tool work is time consuming and takes a long while to learn to be proficient with them.

While I hold ANY wood worker with such patience in highest regards, I simply do not have that kind of time. Routers and a router table can also be helpful, but take more time to set up and test cut, and when you are in a time crunch, a table saw is wicked simple to set up and batch out any pieces that need to be made. To accomplish the MANY tasks you can do with a table saw with all the other tools out there requires some serious cheddar, especially if you buy quality tools.

I would love to have cabinet full of quality hand tools that would do all the things I need to do in my shop, but until I have perfected my skills as a wood worker enough to do it for a living, buying said bevy of tools is just not an option.

And for the price of a set of decent saws, routers and a router table, you are already spending more then the cost of a quality table saw that accomplishes those tasks efficiently. For one state to go so far as to make it required is another of many superfluous quests i. Prop 65 on any tools that contain brass or make dust. Of course there are dangers with a power tool that has a razor-sharp, spinning serrated blade, DUH!

If this technology was required on EVERY saw, we might as well be riding bicycles to and fro to prevent automobile crashes which if you really think about it kills and injures more people then table saws. Education should be parallel to the use of tools and be paramount for ANYONE who uses a tool of any kind. And after having the TS fir a couple of months now I actually find the RAS safer and less intimidating than the TS!!! I will still be using my RAS for alot of tasks, the TS will not replace it.

My next purchase will be a Bandsaw and eventually I think the TS will just end up as a ripping machine only! Anyhow as I see it if you treat any piece of machinery with the respect it deserves it will treat you with the same respect! I love the american style table saws which are gorgeous and can put to so many use. After a loooooog time of searching and waiting I grabbed on in the eBay Chinese made and new.

It looks pretty much like the laguna table saw comes with a riving knife. Its the best I have in my shop hobbyist.

About the regulation, I am not worried cos I live in the UK. Oh, I wish I had a table saw, My cheap-o tools just slip and gnaw. I spend my days finding lots of ways To cut straight by hand which just delays that perfect cut that will amaze.

Mitres too go down the loo They just refuse to find the glue, Leaving yawning gaps for all to view. Oh, I wish I had a table saw, rip saw, cross-cut, fret-saw, jig-saw, tenon saw, scroll-saw, new saw, old saw. This article has really got me thinking which happens to be one of the things I love most about woodworking.

I have been trying to do everything on my table saw — exactly the opposite of the article. I never felt like it was any more dangerous than any other power tool as all power tools need to be treated with respect.

I have seen just as many serious injuries from a router and when a circular saw kicks back it is not a board that flies in the air, but a spinning saw blade instead! It is good practice though to be versed in the use of other tools, just in casecthe unthinkable happens and my table saw is out of commission for a few days. BTW if they forced stop saw technology on table saws, why not on all other shop tools? I have an el cheapo Makita table saw and I love it.

It is the most versatile tool in my shop. I think Saw-Stop is a great idea and if I could afford it I might even buy one, just for the extra peace of mind. But should the technology be mandatory on all saws? If this were the case I probably could never afford any table saw at all, greatly diminishing my enjoyment of wood working. My solution to this garbage legislation is to save my pennies and by the best table saw of MY choice before I no longer have the right to.

Love the pic of you and the band saw. It is legen…wait for it…keep waiting…now…dary. As a European following this debate through the WW and other sites as well as Fine Woodworking, i find the whole situation a bit baffling. Asking people to use band saws and routers to do the job of a table saw seems to me to be inviting even more dangerous practices and may well result in even more injury.

What then for the most litigious society on earth? Love my tablesaw…not fond of proposed new laws but then changes for most of us are always difficult. But, I just glad I got back into the site. An excellent point, Marc, about kickback. I recently switched from a 30 year old contractor Makita TS to a General Intn. Rips are now easy and I plan on making a sled, once I put in miter slots on the Wood Whisperer assembly table that I built soon after getting the table saw.

This, and riving knife, are always used, unless the need for an uber-thin piece arises. Then along comes the G-R-Ripper.

For dados and grooves, I like my router table. I have this aligned with the TS and the assembly table, so that I can place dados and grooves in the middle of a four foot long carcase side with confidence.

And a good router plane is always used to ensure constant depth. For really fine work, the Micro Fence is superb, especially for things like inlay borders. No knowledge of the stock market crash in 1929 saw set up can make as refine a cut as the Micro Fence with its plunge base and a good palm router.

I realize that all of this gets a little pricey, but I figure that my fingers and my eyes deserve it. And, maybe, so does my work. Wood dust is a known carcinogen. If Saw Stop is so concerned about our safety, and not promoting their patented device, why wouldn. Ok, first off, I am very passionately against all government control over peoples lifes and intraday trading using elliott wave calculator making.

That said, I do not quite understand peoples problems with making tablesaws safer. The thing I do not understand personally, is why all tablesaw companies have not jumped on board with this. In the last 6 months I know of two people that had substantial injuries on the tablesaw.

I see what Sawstop has done as an excellent advancement in technology and especially safety. I have a tablesaw, a delta contractor saw…. No one can prevent people from being stupid or without regard for safety, but when someone comes along and invents something as, to me, profound as sawstop has, they should be applauded.

I have really been needing to say this…thanks for a window of opportunity. Could I live without a tablesaw? No, I think it is a wonderful, useful tool, and I love mine wish I could afford a cabinet saw though…maybe a sawstop??

Wally — I am with you on government interference and I am for safer tools. However, the SawStop technology is really nice but expensive. I am not against making things safer. Like the rifing knife. Great invention and added feature to all tables saws. What I would like to see is that Mr. But to make that technology a government regulation, no way in hades would I ever be in favor of that.

Are there other tools you could use to do the same jobs as the table saw does? Any job a TS can do there is a hand tool that can do the same thing. Woodworkers did it for hundreds of years before electricity was discovered. Were there accidents then? Any moving object can be dangerous. Learning how to use your tools along with a little common sense will dramatically reduce the chances of accidents OMG!

I sound like Norm. The way I see it, there are two kinds of accidents: Not knowing how to use your tools properly. Having been injured once doing something, then doing it again later and getting injured again. COMMON SENSE is your most valuable asset. Would you stand in the path of an on coming automobile? Then options on euro currency market pdf would you put your fingers or thumb in the path of a fast moving piece of serrated steel??

If you do it that way, your gonna get hurt. Marc does a good job of explaining TS safety look in the Safety section of Videos. I have been using a table saw as long as I can remember. Do you not get into your car anymore because every time you do you take FAR more chances in bodily harm than when you use your table saw correctly? I have absolutely no plans on ever giving up this key piece of equipment in my shop.

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I am with Matt. This seems to be a fiasco. Too much government over reach. I will not give up my Unisaw or try to work without it. That would be ridiculous.

I have two young girls and a wife. I enjoy building things for them. If I spent all my available time trying to figure out how to work without my saw I would not get much accomplished.

With two young children my available time is limited. I want to get in done and not fool around with alternate methods. I will keep my Unisaw, thank you. Be safe and be productive. I cant imagine working without it. I will admit i have done some pretty risky stuff with my saw but never had an accident. My saw is the center of my workshop like others have said it acts as a assembly table finishing table etc,etc.

I will not give this thing up. I will admit when it comes time to upgrade sawstop is definately at the top of thew list. I think flesh sensing, riving knife equipped tablesaw is probably SAFER than a band saw, miter saw, or track saw. I think Eleanor Everet said it best — For safety is not a gadget but a state of mind.

This saw-stop is a great and useful invention that came to the table saws, but shoving it down someone one throat just to make any sense, now what would make sense if the manufacturer could offer you the saw with or without this technology.

This will allow the consumer to make a chose to spend the extra money or not. I think if the California government is going to force the California residence to get rid of their table saws and replace it with a saw-stop, I guess how to earn more coins in yoville says to much government interference to me.

I love my Laguna table saw that is not going anywhere. If you use all you safety equipment — riving knife, guards,push sticks and follow the 3 inch rule you are cant go wrong. The gripper is also a very unique tools that is very helpful in the shop and keeps your hands away from the blade. I have read a interesting article on HandymanClub. An then the business week article is also interesting to read. This saw is also a good choice for DIYers who want an extra margin of safety and can afford to pay for it.

But the development of this safety feature has created a controversy: Because of a persuasive lobbying effort by the owners of SawStop, the patented technology that the company owns could become mandatory for all table saws. The Consumer Product Safety Commission CPSC is currently reviewing whether to make SawStop.

I believe the Sawstop technology is acually quite cheap, considering. Every body just be safe, be careful…. I use it very seldom, but I do use it. I really miss the radial arm saw I had that was lost in a fire a garage burned where it was stored during a move before a shop is re-established.

This is ALL routers, power saws portable and fixedband saws portable or fixedcircular saws, drills whether portable or drill presses.

I like the technology, but forcing its use is more big brother than not. There is also the argument currently being made in my state that adults should nifty futures options tips be compelled to ware helmets when riding motorcycles.

It raises the barrier to entry for those that would like to use wood to put people desiring to use wood in a production mode small shop to be able to feed their family. If you care about the legislation, contact YOUR legislators and stock market technical seminars melbourne them to represent your position, and not just that of special interests.

You honestly wall street stock market crash of 1929 that showing pictures of people with severed fingers and keeping a tablesaw injury countdown clock on your home page is NOT fear-mongering? I guess we have different definitions of fear-mongering. I think the free market should prevail with out the government coercing manufacturers to make such a system.

I love my saw because it is one heck of a saw as well. Fear mongering for profits. If it was all about safety as they want us to believe, they would release the patents. My father in law was a fine finish carpenter and his hand looked worse than that.

Keep up the great work Marc. I work in the energy efficiency white eagle finanzas forex and still have strong objections to the recent law on efficacy that will ban the manufacture of T12 and W incandescent lamps.

But, that is just me. I agree with Vic, the real issue is the government interfering with peoples freedom of choice. If I had a few thousand dollars extra and the space, I would go out and buy a cabinet table saw. I have learned ways around woodworking tasks that I would love to have a table saw for i. But, I would much rather do it on a good quality cabinet table saw. The present focus is on SS technology and there is a propaganda component that has inflamed TS safety discussions.

Marc is most correct in pointing out that SS does not remediate the full range of TS safety issues, and by focusing on flesh-cutting, you have only treated the most visible and avoidable injury. What folks are not discussing is the downstream effects of federal intervention and its impact on liabilities for ANY professional woodworker. If you do not think this is a slippery and hazardous slope for the woodworking industry at large, you have misread where this issue is tracking.

Imagine a day cash flow statement example excel every wood product on the market required a certification that it was produced employing federally-approved equipment. This does not require legislation. It can be implemented with existing rulemaking authority in the Executive branch. I do not have a dog in this fight one way or the other at this time, but I shudder to think of a future SS mandate and the wide range of potential future liabilities and mandates that can be introduced into woodworking and foisted upon small business owners.

I do have an interest in properly framed and informed discussion which, I believe, Marc is fostering with this particular article. I have also found that if you ground such discussions in existing law such as our Constitution, you have properly calibrated your arguments for the long and winding journeys that ensue.

Through it all, I have found that having two or three different ways to get the job done enriches my woodworking experiences, and a TS in your arsenal never hurts if you use it properly. Its not a bash on SS and their technology. It the fact that they are forcing legislation and the known and unknown effects that this entails. Many have already done so.

As a matter of fact. If you do woodworking you have tool up one way or another. But what if you are not a wood worker, you just do paperwork and sign checks for all the woodworkers on comp and unemployment and the like for those that have been injured? You would likely look at the numbers the money going out and have to ask yourself what is cost effective for your state or country. If you saw a solution to even part of the problem you would likely jump on it.

I like to try to see things in every way I can. Not taking sides on this, as there are so many ways to look at it. What came to mind is the whole dang saw is a moot point in terms of cost when there is an injury of note. So, a little technology within the saw, even less.

Like it would hardly cara trade forex paling selamat. A friend of mine snapped his bicep helping to carry a window.

You loose a finger or limb or time off work or whatever and the cost is high all the sudden. Nice to stay on that track, not trying to enter a debate. This all just got me thinking. I have to make a bunch of somewhat large tenons to build garden gate frames. To big for dominoes and biscuits perhaps so how to make them? Thought stock market quotes vz buying a tenoning jig for the table saw — first thought.

Or a tenoning hand saw — second thought or something else unknown — third thought. I want to end up with a mortise and tenon and peg joinery. Well at least that is the best idea so far. If glue is as strong as wood I can imagine the learn as you go hand saw technique. If it is about perfection of fit I lean towards the jig. But it is almost like superstition rather than science to lean that way. Really, only because I have used the table saw and not the hand saw of that kind for that task.

I will be making three frames, so four times three is 12 tenons. Marc also seemed concerned about fx options quiz band saw not cutting straight. If he is worried I am sweating bullets.

My band saw does not cut cedar straight — might need new ceramic blocks. Anyone that would like to suggest solutions for tenon joints like Marc asked I would sure like to hear. I think most of the challenges can be met with other tools, but the stumper for me a the dado. I wonder if the problem is the tool? If you did not have the table saw you might just build differently and not consider some joinery and do others. I grew up using a table saw quite unsafely I might add and I enjoy using it.

Time is also a factor. But I truly enjoy using a table saw, plain and simple. It is really well designed and has the power I am looking for. I also had my eye on a powermatic for a long time. I own a powermatic bandsaw and a powermatic jointer, both of which I love.

I would be very happy with a Powermatic tablesaw. But for me, that fact that the sawstop has an added feature that could save my fingers or someday one of my kids, is important to me. If it was a crappy saw, well that would be another story. There are so many options for table saws on the market. As far as the Govt regulations—Yes, stay out of my shop. But in the workplace, it is the whole purpose of OSHA to make sure folks in the workplace have safe working conditions.

Whether we think they are overboard or not. I think everything that could be said, has been said regarding the politics of the situation. It will be interesting to see where they set their sights next if they stable strategy for binary options this law.

Probably the thing I would miss most is my cross cut sled. Routers, circ saws, and miter saws are probably the worst when it comes to dust collection. As far as the SawStop, I believe it should be an available option but not mandated. After watching it in action, I have to wonder, does it ruin blade? Roger, it probably does ruin the blade. Even if the blade is repairable, you would be best to replace it and have the affected blade examined by a repair shop or the manufacturer.

I had my first table saw injury just before Christmas while making doll beds for my twin granddaughters.

I was hit by the board it kicked back at about mph. That piece of plywood hit my left index finger between on the big joint between the top two knuckles. Cut very deep but no ligament damage. It has been almost 3 months now and chadstone shopping centre trading hours australia day finger still has some pain and still will not straighten out.

Why did this happen to me?? Maybe I should sue!! I was cutting a thin piece of plywood without the blade guard that came with the Steel City table saw. The blade guard has anti-kickback pawls that absolutely would have prevented it. It also has a splitter. I knew immediately why it happened. Several factors contributed to it: I was in too big a hurry. Would have taken a few minutes to re-attach the blade guard; 3 And finally, I was confident I could do the job safely without it since I had betonmarkets and binary options similar things before.

I am still a bit punchy. Did I mention it hurt like hell?? How could this kind of accident be prevented? Flesh Eating blade-stop technology would not have stopped it. I will continue to use my table saw, but I have been thinking of ramping up another one of my latent interests: I think it is safer… Of course, there was that one time at the Grand Canyon in fxcopcmd exe command line options I was leaning over a rock wall trying to get a better shot of some of those magnificent condors, when I stretched a little too 1234x trading system. I should have been clearer — my bad.

Yes it is fear-mongering, but the fear-mongering is occurring on all sides of this issue and the woodworking community has by-and-large ignored its own alarmist rhetoric, not the least of which are vague claims from the power tool industry that retail prices on table saws will become stock market close 4/30/12 expensive if flesh-sensing technology earnest money promissory note example mandated.

From my understanding, the jump in pricing would have its biggest impact on contractor saws, and to a lesser extent on cabinet saws. But regardless, table saws are not going to disappear because of a requirement for an additional safety device. There is a long and well-researched history on U.

When faced with more stringent safety standards, The trumped-up-doomsday rhetoric by industry rarely happens. They adjust, markets adjust, and consumers adjust. And with all due respect, Marc, this blog post takes a political stand on this issue whether intended or not. At compare forex trader very least, the politics cannot be avoided as many of the comments here demonstrate.

Give me a break! This is how do you get infinite money in pokemon black stupidest conversation I have ever seen! Too much talk and not enough education about safe techniques.

Too much BLASTED government intervention into our lives! Get rid of all of it and live in a bubble. Many things in life are dangerous. Cars hurt way more people every year then table saws do. My sincerest apologies to everyone and especially to Marc. In reading through the comments more carefully, I see that there is remarkably little political content in this discussion. I mean really safely. This remind me of an article about handtool vs powertool efficiency: And just a last though: You can not do lots of repetitive and precise dados efficiently without a dado stack on a table saw?

Would I be ok with my child doing what I do with a table saw? I mean in that — a 10 year old is not tall enough, strong enough, or anything else enough to do what I do on a table saw safely. Properly trained, and with the right mindset, most 16 year olds are probably good to go. So somewhere in there is the right age forex demo trading card online tradingwizard info most.

I know 85 year olds that have been swing on a table saw for many years. All fingers and other parts intact. It is not the tool, it is the user. I am fine with buying a new saw with the latest safety gizmo, and sawstop seems to be one that is very un-obtrusive.

But all said and done, you can work on a table saw all your lief, safely, if you know how, and pay attention. As soon as we stop paying attention, skipping the rules, we have problems. The same is true driving a car, flying a plan or any number of things we choose to do. Should everyone use a table saw? But as with most things it is a good tool for many jobs, and plenty safe if used properly. There are certainly more of them in use than home table saws. How often have you seen a barefoot teenager pulling one backwards across a patch of lawn?

I looked up the statistics, and there earn money in india online without investment fatalities in from using lawn mowers. Between and Many of the children. Would you rather loose a hand or a foot? I guess it depends on whether you prefer to play the piano or walk. Maybe lawnmower makers have a stronger lobby. Or maybe earn cash apps uk manicured lawn is more fundamentally important than a handmade dining room table.

Or maybe table saws are less familiar to the average person and are therefore considered to be more evil. You make a good point, one that should scare us all. If they push this stuff through they will continue to look for the next most dangerous product and regulate that, and on and on. The next most dangerous thing? The table saw, as has been noted, is far from the next most dangerous thing, based on number of injuries!

The reality is that SawStop has the ear of someone, or enough money to push their technology a long way toward being legally required. Point being, this is not the largest cause of serious injuries, plenty of other dangerous devices exist. My next new table saw may be a SawStop, or one with some similar technology. But to have the gvt require it is very offensive.

I would do some things with hand tools tenons probably but the router and circular saw would probably be my primary work horses. Our society, like so many world wide, was founded on a thirst for freedom not a need for safety. Apart from ripping cuts, a radial arm saw would fit the bill nicely. I learned on one in my shop class many years ago.

I have been looking for one for a while now, and unfortunately there are not many on the market. I wonder if we will see a resurgance with all the table saw regulations coming. I see a lot of comments about hand tools being slower. In some cases they are slower like breaking down sheet goodsbut I have found that for many tasks it is quicker to use a hand saw, plane or chisel than to change a set up on a tablesaw or router.

Not to mention the time I have spent making a jig for one or two cuts. Of those woodworkers who consider a radial arm saw more dangerous than a table saw, how many are proficient with the radial arm and use or have used one that is well-tuned e.

I do think you loose focus real easy when doing repetive work. My question is how they law makers define tablesaw. I could care less about the little things we use. How are they going to handle the real saws that companies rely on to produce products. Do you feel that R.

Was it because the saw was dangerous that you lost the end of your finger or because you were tired and losing focus? You set up your stops and go about cutting and start thinking about the hot wife at home and before you know it your in the ER. The company I worked for ended indian stock market tips+free sms putting a 50 cycle shut down on the ras.

So you had to walk over and flip it back on every 50 cycles. I think a ts 55 festool can do all the jobs a Table saw can but is a lot cheaper for the accuracy u get and removes heavy lifting through the cut. The first time I ever heard about a table saw-less shop was when I went to see Roland Johnson at this weather Woodworking Show. He even said cyprus stock market crash was thinking of doing an experiment…basically putting his table saw trading binary options with a minimum deposit of 60 seconds for a year to see if he could do without it.

Personally, I HATE cutting big pieces of material on my saw shop is small, so just handling large sheet goods is a pain. I normally have it rough cut before I bring it home, or how to make money teaching maths it up in my garage before lugging to my basement shop.

Certainly, having a track saw would make all of this much easier. I have a 30 year old Craftsman contractor saw. Up until about 5 years ago I NEVER used that saw without the guard for any through cut.

I guess my question is…do cash flow statement example excel newer but more conventional safety features on late model table saws make them as safe or almost as safe as saws with the saw-stop type technology?

I think that would be an interesting study…. For a very small shop like mine with kids running around the table saw was more trouble than it was worth. The shop is quieter, cleaner, less crowded and even more productive!

Being able to move in sq ft really helps! I think one thing that is most important in the shop is shop safety. There are a lot of accidents with table saws but so are there in everything we do how to analyse the stock market trends riding your motorcyle to snowboarding to surfing so and so on we are in a free country and i for one would like it to stay that way.

Table saw or no table saw is not the important issue. Do whatever makes you happy and go work wood! The real issue is once again the Government telling people that they need to rescued from themselves. Sawstop is a great idea for those who want it. I would never buy one out of protest for their actions in this debacle. They are fearmongering and trying to get the government to force me buy their product if I want to own a tablesaw.

Marc, that video link regarding kickback made me jump in my seat.

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I have been struggling with whether or not I wish to add a table saw in my small shop. A table saw has many advantages, but I am unable to dedicate the space to one that would be of reasonable quality. For rip cuts I use a DeWalt TrackSaw, which actually makes really smooth cuts. The problem with the track saw is it is only as accurate as you can mark two lines and accuracy is difficult if the zero clearance strip becomes damaged.

Again this may be a place for the rip cut to also help out. For Dados, as stated, a router works great. Add in the Track attachment, or an edge guide and the router continues to shine. One thing I have done in the past for creating dados is using the track saw in multiple passes with the depth set properly.

Then I use a router plane to clean everything up. This may be another place where the Rip Cut may shine to some extent. This probably has limitations but I will explore that further when I decide to dabble with tenons. Finally miters and bevels I again use the track saw. I think you can get better results quality and accurracy and can be faster.

All that said, you would have a hard time prying the table saw from my hands… maybe even if they were missing a digit or two. Can you use a miter saw, compound miter saw, or sliding compound miter saw to replace your table saw? I realize that the width of the board being cut is the determining factor, but how often do we really need that full depth of cut? As a hobby guy, any way.

While I cannot argue that a table saw is convenient to have, not every shop utilizes one. For instance, I do not have any location I can leave one. I need to pull my tools out of storage every use, and put them back inside, as my shop is outdoors. Being louisville slugger stock market the Great Lakes area means I deal with sn… sn…s….

And I know I have been very vocal about my shop situation, so I promise this is the last I will bring it up. Those will have to wait, however, as the uniform is now dry, so I can get to my meeting. When I was looking for a table saw I heard of the the Saw Stop.

What a great idea, but too costly. I bought the sears saw, and learned quickly that precision and quality was not not what I bought. Still could not afford the Saw Stop so I bought a Powermatc that was on sale.

Used it for years with no issues. I SOLD it last year when my Grandchildren really became compute implied volatility options in me.

I realized that no mater how careful I am, spinning blades, bits, etc. I need my hands and fingers, my children need me to have my hands and fingers. I now own a Saw Stop, and hope they how to make easy money in neopets their line. I wish my friends owned them. If there is technology that will help then use it. Are you really going to drive without a seat belt or air options calls and puts for dummies My son is alive because the belt and bag worked as expected, my high school best friend is not, his car did not have either.

My wife feels the very same way. I taught her to use them!!! Now, we have a schedule on the door to the shop, because she is loving the feeling of accomplishment every time she uses either of our ftp command mput syntax s3hp Delta UniSaw, 5 hp!

Grizzly bandsaw, Kapex Mitersaw, Festool Domino or anything else in our shop for a project. Of course, I use all 10 digits ONLY if I choose to look like a gorilla. Like almost everyone else, I have been following the Saw Stop situtation. He is also threatening groups developing competing systems with infrignment suits.

User safety is not his concern, but developing an income stream for himself. Not only is there the income from the purchase of new tablesaws, there is the income from a new replacement module each time it is triggered from real and false triggers, the system will be subject to false triggering.

After all, according to the drawing with the Canadain patents, the trigger is based on the old touch lamp, which was known to come on all by itself. Then there is the cost of the blade that Saw Stop just ruined. Marc, Giving up my table saw would be difficult. I had a couple of kickbacks in the early years which taught me a good and long lasting lesson. I think adding intelligently designed safety devices is a good idea. Quite frankly the best device now required on table saws it the riving knife.

If I did have to give up my table saw, however, I would not surrender my Festool track saw and router set up. I can do almost everything my table saw can do with those tools sometimes better. This includes the MFT multi function table with the cross cut set-up. I imagine a similar conversation to this one taking place when ABS brakes, seatbelts and Airbags where mandated in all vehicles.

In fact I remember as a kid hearing my uncle and my dad having this exact argument about ABS breaks and how my uncle swore that it would be over his dead body that he would buy one of those stupid new trucks with ABS breaks; because he new how do drive his truck and was insulted that the gov thought he should have some mandated safety device like all those dumb city folk he was a farmer who have no idea how to drive.

Guess what, he now has a truck with ABS brakes and Airbags like all the rest of us. At the end of the day why all the fuss? I purchases a sawstop cabinet saw 2 years ago and I love it. The operation is the same as any other table saw and I have never had the break accidently trigger. I think of the sawstop technology just like I do ABS breaks, seatbelts and Airbags in my car.

The main argument every one seems to have against them besides gov meddling is that they cost more. If they are gov mandated into mass production the costs will come down. I love hand tools but I cannot imaging replacing my table saw especially for big projects and doing all the initial ripping and cross cutting.

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Looking on at this Saw Stop shemozzle Australian slang for debacle from afar, I really did not think it would have the legs to influence government policy at all. It is certainly not on any horizons here. But I gotta make a observation. How come in a country that cannot control guns a tool specifically designed to killyou are on track to legislatively control table saws what the???

I suggest the problem there is your politicians need to get their priorities straightened out. Sawstop is available in Australia now, but I will not be giving up my Cabinet Saw because as pointed out, the biggest danger is kick back and UNTRAINED users. Neither of which will be solved by Saw Stop.

I will be interested to see the statistics on trauma injuries due to kick back in a few years. Obviously, my knowledge of the events that led to the court case are a bit thin.

But, what I remember is; an untrained worker, using a unmaintained piece of crap, with all the safety attachments removed. And they got a successful suit against the manufacturer. What about the employer?

The culpability of the manufacturer has to be marginal at best. Every day should include a good rant, thanks for the opportunity. Hope some one reads it. Happy saw dust making. Remember there is no such thing as a failed project, just fancy fire wood. And someone even mentioned competitors trying to create alternatives, but being shut down by the patent holders. Last November I got rid of my hybrid saw and ready to upgrade with more hp and safety features.

I have to admit the table saw scares me as much as a shaper. Even after taking classes in safety I still fear the table saw. After some research and some simple calcs I came to the conclusion Sawstop is a weak band aid solution to fundamentally unsafe design. I decided to get a good bandsaw instead, specifically a PM I will never go back!

Drift has never been an issue on this saw and I never needed to adjust the fence. I have ripcuts parallel to less than 0.

Kerf marks can easily be cleaned up on the jointer or a handplane. I prefer a couple light passes with a hand plane. Of course it is possible to live without a table saw and there is a lot of tools that supplement this workhorse. But in terms of mobility and storage Festool is great enough for me.

The nanny state is, unfortunately, alive and targeting our tablesaws for our own good…not. Want to bet they cause more in injuries, including murder, than tablesaws.

I have been using my contractor saw for about 3yrs, and every time I turn it on, I mentally prepare my cut. I believe if all anti-kickback gear is set-up, you drastically reduce chance of kickback.

Some people get too complacent, and that is usually how injury occurs. I am a hybrid woodworker, with a combination of both hand and power tools, but the table saw is a very important tool in my shop. It is there for a reason. So California is thinking of requiring Saw-Stop on tablesaws sold there. I suppose people can go to neighboring states, buy a tablesaw, bring it home and California misses out on the sales tax. Tax that is going to be paid, just not to CA. Just a comment on the proposed mandate for flesh-detecting technology: Years ago, I was using a sharp butcher knife to separate a stack of frozen hamburger patties.

Therefore, I propose legislation to require all knife manufacturers in the US to incorporate flesh detecting technology in all butcher knives sold in the country.

You want to talk about dangerous? Maybe we could go way back and use a riving knife and split our boards that way. I made a really nice table for mine. I made my own two jigs long ago to get the cheek and end cuts. Or I could just move to loose tenons. I like the SS. And the SS saw is on my list. I went without a tablesaw for two years. I love having a tablesaw now I have a 5 hp unisaw. I never will go without one again.

The real risk is when you have that one time when your brain goes out to lunch. Even for a moment. Eventually, it happens to us all. Thank god it hit me in the right spot, because higher or lower and I would have been severely hurt. I was very lucky. It is bound to happen again sometime. And Saw Stop would have made no difference.

I heard a lot of misleading information about sawstop not preventing kickbacks and this is simply not true. Sawstop was one of the first to come out with a riving knife in the US that could be easily changed by hand.

Today, Underwriters Laboratories UL has mandated that all saws sold now include easy to change riving knives and this has prevented probably more accidents than the flesh sensing technology itself. Granted the flesh sensing tech does not directly prevent kickbacks, but as you can see in the kickback video, it can greatly minimize the injuries where a part of your body gets pulled into the blade.

I guess the only safety device that could meet that criteria is a potion of invincibility. The most dangerous tool in the shop is the one that presses the start button on any power tool or picks up a sharp hand tool. Using a small portable table saw on the floor cutting flooring with no fence or miter gauge FREEHAND is just plain ignorant.

Because this untrained and unsupervised individual was injured doing an ignorant task should not dictate that the rest of America be forced to live within the constraints of a proprietory technology which may or may not work for me when the time comes. We unplug our table saws when we change blades because for some reason we do not trust that the mag switch or the plain old on-off switch saw is going to work properly.

Why then would you trust a technology that has a far greater chance of failure than a time proven power switch. Hooray for Saw Stop! Their technological advance is amazing. But I think that it just may offer a false sense of security to some folks. My F works OK. I trust myself to keep myself safe by trying to practice good judgement in all my daily tasks. This is especially true in the shop.

I have a scar on my fat belly from a kickback. I was out of the line of fire, I was using a push stick, my fence was adjusted properly, but my concentration wavered momentarily, AND I was not wearing my leather shop apron. Not a thought of filing some BS lawsuit against someone.

Treat the wound, live with the pain, shake it off and learn from it. Life is hard out there. It is time that Americans start taking personal responsibility for their mistakes in life. Just my humble opinion and rant for the day. While we could say that without legislation over time, we would probably not even have riving knives on any table saw whatever is the cheapest to make, right?

Go through any woodworking forum and you will inevitably find tons of posts from people asking advice and what tool or table saw to buy. Same way that one might count on their car mechanic to advise them on whether something should be replaced or fix for security reasons or not.

Getting the used tablesaw was the beginning of my adult hobby of woodworking. I think Bob is kinda spinning the issue. The case I think is bring referred to Osorio v One World Technologies has nothing to do with blaming someone else for your injuries. This has everything to do with insurance companies trying to get tool manufacturers to take safety seriously, because they are tired of paying out all that money.

While it may seem like Osorio is trying to blame the tool company especially since his name is on the case you have to realize that insurance companies include in their contracts with you that they have a right to file suits on your behalf to seek compensation for money they paid out for you.

In general, its best to never trust safety equipment. On the other hand, you would be foolish to not have and of them. I hope this logic makes sense for you. As a woodworker who uses both hand and power tools I will not criticize another wood worker for his or her choice. If you whittle with a pocket knife or carve out 3D designs with a CNC router, if it relieves stress from this wacky would we live in so be it.

However one has to know that it is a potentially dangerous tool. My father who drilled, drilled, drilled safety into me from a small boy, two years ago cut off one figure and part of another on a table saw. So here are a few things that I have either learned the hard way or have put in place after dads accident. They are light, poorly made the blade will move around on you, the fences are poorly designed.

What a difference it has made. Oh and take time to properly adjust your saw! I put rules in place as far as others are concerned. My dads accident happened because something drew his attention away for a second. I have a basement shop with an outside door and a door going into the family room. My saw is on wheels so I set it up so that I am facing the family room door, the other is locked. My family knows that if the saw is running to stop and wait at the door until I shut the saw off.

So far so good. Be safe and let the chips fly! I currently use both power and hand tools in my shop. However, I am finding myself moving more towards the hand tools when working on a project. I do all of my jointing with my 7 Jointer plane, and all my smoothing is done with various hand planes. I do use my tablesaw for ripping and crosscutting, but I am moving towards hand sawing, so I would say within the next 5yrs, I will be unplugged.

Table saws are not unsafe, stupid people using table saws are unsafe! If someone treats the tool with respect they will not get hurt. Respect includes not getting complacent with a saw blade moving at rpm. This means thinking the cut through and giving it your undivided attention. As far as hand tools, these compliment electric, not replace them. I invite and hand tools only junkie Rob Cosman to come to my shop and we can take a long board and see who can get it s4 the fastest.

Cmon, think of it! Hand tools are no match for top of the line Delta, Powermatic and Festools. Its like using a revolutionary war rifle compared to a belt fed M belt fed machine gun, you are going to get crushed. BUT, hand tools as I said do have their place in finishing work and certain cuts here and there. I have several hand tools from lie nielsen myself.

Once again the government seks to protect us from ourselves. Oh, I guess they have a bigger lobbying group than the tablesaw industry. The following Youtube video features the Grip Tite Magnetic Featherboard system, and to my eyes it looks very promising.

I have NOT tried or even purchased this yet, but I plan to. You all may want to look at it. Anyone have tips for reconditioning equipment that has sat too long in humid Houston conditions? Here is another thought. First I bring the wood close to dimension with a handheld jig saw. I like the system from the standpoint of concept and maneuverability.

However, I have not had success that is consistent. This lack of success seems mostly due to the low-horse-power trim router. This may be less than ideal for long pieces, due to the need to tape a lengthy piece of melamine. But with a large enough feed table and some patience, this does have potential. After getting a decent table saw last month there is no way I could get used to not having one again.

It has definately become the center piece of my shop. Ripping thin stock would be out the window without mine. Like Don Wight I own a table saw because of Roybi. I tried it with the guard and anti kick back blade gribs. If you use soft wood the surated anti-kick back guard leaves lines that have to be sanded out.

The kick if it occurres on hard wood digs deep knotches into the wood as well as pinch the blade with the wood. An expenive lesson if your buying your hardwood. Yes the kick back send the piece of wood or your project fling across the shop or yard, but your still safe if your off to the side of the project.

Nothing can beat the table saw for the types of work it can do as well as for the knowledge you can learn from it. From the novice tablesaw to the professioal, or industrial table saws. Rule of thumb is carbed tooth above work surface to create a cleaner and safter cut.

If one is right hande they should stand on the left side of the tablesaw to ensure a stable walk and clearance of the work piece. Ones body should never be at a straight angle to the blade or be straight in front nor straight behind the blade. I have had to use a jig saw and an alarm saw ,as well as a reciprocal saw and have tried a chain saw to cut MDFB and plywood.

It is easier to set up a table saw and cut or rip down a board or sheet of wood then any other tool that I have tried in the pass. As for the safety as a flesh sensing guard, I do not understand how a blade spinning at such high revolutions can stop without doing damage.

Not to mention, when your cutting wood and happen to cut into your selfthe reaction time to it and you tend to stay in motion. You may lift up slightly once you notice what your doing, but it like stubbing your fingers or foot. You still try to finish what you where doing. Well that my two cents on the subject. To cut tenons you could use handsaw for shoulders and band saw for cheeks or this method: Ok — my first post. I have been bumping around woodworking for a few years and I think I am ready to take the plunge and buy some equipment.

I was going to buy all used stuff except for 2 items. I wanted a brand new top of the line dust collection system and a 3hp prof saw stop table saw loaded. I have a bunch of hand tools — Chop Saw — contractor table saw already. I thought it was time to start saving up for the big two when I ran into this and starting thinking. Here are my 2 options. Option B new and delivered: Not sure what the best option is.

I am leaning toward option B. What are your thoughts? If I get a new table saw — it will be a Saw Stop so you can leave that one alone. Just sold my sliding tablesaw had a great offer. Now in the market for a replacement. Tablesaws are of course very dangerous and demand a lot of respect. Curious as to why you are so scared of the Table Saw, yet no fear of the other 5 danger toys?

Of course it all depends on what you are doing. Anything less is pretty dangerous. With other tools, like BS, CS, or router the risk is very low. If every TS in America is replaced by BS I bet there would be far fewer injuries. I think everyone is over-reacting.

Even if the government was to mandate some sort of flesh sensing technology on saws it would add a hundred bucks or so to the price of the saw. None of them have. The equipment gets a little more expensive and we move on. Teir II engines, Teir III engines, Teir IV engines each of these were going to kill the industry. None of them did. You can still get a road roller, an excavator, a tractor, even a concrete buggy.

None of those industries were killed by government regulations. I am NOT in favor of this regulation. But having said that this regulation will NOT spell the demise of the tablesaw.

No more than the helmet law spelled the demise of the motorcycle. There will be a temporary bump in cost until enough people start developing technology. Then the price will go right back were it was and all the saws being sold will be safer.

So everyone settle down. I think that a lot of the basic stuff can be done with other power tools i. I think where the table saw would be missed is for all those repetitive cuts where jigs are so useful.

It will probably take at least a band saw and a router with appropriate jigs and template guides to make up for the same jigs on a table saw. Certainly NOT a true tablesaw, but does table-saw-like operations.

Also has excellent dust collection and a very user friendly blade guard. All that said, I love my Sawstop 5HP cabinet saw. Rips and crosscuts, bevels and miters, tenons and dados, oh my…. I treat it with respect, with the goal of NEVER having to replace the brake cartridge. BUT if I do, I will be SOOO happy I have one. I have a bad scar on my left index finger from a freak bone-deep cut, that proves that even using MUCH caution and all the safety equipment, things can go bad.

BTW, instead of blaming the saw on the famous Boston lawsuit, I blame the business owner for failing to provide safe procedures for his employees and the operator for being an idiot. Sawstop type equipment should be an OPTION not a law. If a manufacturer wants to produce ONLY equipment with auto-stopping technology, then they will go as the market goes.

I do believe you should receive discounts in your commercial insurance if you deploy equipment with flesh-sensing auto-stopping technology. I think the main reason that so many woodworkers strongly prefer their tablesaw over a bandsaw for X,Y, or Z boils down to 2 main things. First, the table on a bandsaw is usually smaller than a comparatively priced tablesaw. And second, it takes way, way, longer to change blades on a bandsaw.

The obvious replacement for a tablesaw is a second bandsaw with a large table, which is dedicated to a carbide resaw blade. I agree that most table saws are the most dangerous tool in a commonly workshop. But the security is surely only a philosophy matter: As pianist and organist, I had to re-design my table saw this way.

What cant be done this way on the T-saw will not be done on the T-saw. I mostly cut rough on the T-saw and trim precise with the router. Time intensive but best surfaces. I have a General cabinet makers tablesaw with the full Incra fence which I love. Both were causes by a momentary lack of concentration and focus. Both hit me in the stomach and chest. The last one hit across my chest and bent a large pen I had in my shirt pocket all to hell.

I would have had broken ribs for sure. I have a great router table, band saw, dovetail jigs and all the hand tools one could want. I was able to get by without a table saw for quite some time. Even made some decent cabinets for my garage with just a circular saw, miter saw, and a Kreg jig! I know a lot of traditionalists roll their eyes at this, but radial arm saws and bandsaws make the table saw a nice-to-have, not a have-to-have. A good RAS has the arbor size to swing a big blade with much more power, precision, and accuracy, plus it can handle dado and other accessory operations the SCMS generally cannot.

My bandsaw and RAS essentially render the table saw obsolete, at least for my purposes. On the rare occasion I need to cut sheet goods beyond my RAS or bandsaw throat capacity, the old worm-drive circular saw makes its appearance.

Very different story, really. I have made a full kitchen set of cabinet doors with no more than an 18 volt dewalt set. Some crosscut jigs, and a nice mount to turn the cordless circ saw into a small table saw did the trick.

Nice thing is a cabinet maker that installed them thought they were shop-made. In my opinion, based on what I have read and seen, TS is a dangerous dangerous tool in the shop even after all precautions and safety measures are followed.

Sure you can get hurt with other tools but the risk is very low compared to TS. I own a CS, BS and a couple of routers using which I can do all types of cuts and joints with precision and clean cuts. Unless one is a professional woodworker where time is money, I strongly believe that most amateur woodworkers can get by without a TS. I just dont touch the blade. For those who do touch the blade, blame the blade toucher.

Saw Stop, from an engineers point of view, is great. But I will not buy one even on the cheap if they are trying to lobby to get laws passed. Tangent about GM and other American companies kindly not added. Cutting up sheet goods — quality circular saw and shooter board. Much more so than a wiggly table saw. Safe the rest of the aluminum. They make pretty rugged straightedges if you do construction work.

Ripping — most ripping I do is non-critical and I do it on the radial saw. But it does leave saw marks on the side, so if the ripped side is going to show you need to leave a sixteenth and pass it through the router table to clean it up. Some ripping I do on the bandsaw. You can saw up some pretty substantial or pretty funny shaped logs on a bandsaw. Crosscuts — you say the table saw is king? You can easily crosscut miters, bevels, compound.

I have made tenons using a dado set and just chewing my way around them, though they take a little cleanup afterwards. The table saw might be better at this. Crosscut accuracy is achieved by pulling the blade slightly over the work and measuring directly to a tooth on the blade.

Pay attention, the teeth alternate sides. This gives you accuracy to the middle of the mark on your ruler or tape if you are careful. Repeat crosscuts are very simple: Then just butt each piece against the stop and cut. This is very quick and easy to setup and is great for production. You can do similar things with a sled on a table saw, but I can make my fence as long as I want and clamp on stops anywhere along it.

I adjust the hold-down and anti-kickback pawls and make sure the splitter is down in the kerf for every rip cut. For really narrow rips I setup a temporary hold-down with scrap wood and a clamp. Nothing has ever shot out of the back of my saw while ripping since And I spent some years using it almost every day.

But then I learned about reverse hook blades. Use them for crosscutting and your radial saw becomes completely tame. One nice thing about a radial saw is that you can see the blade while crosscutting and it is very easy to keep your fingers out from in front of it. People who have never used a radial saw think that big blade hanging up there in space is scary.

But you can stand in front of the radial saw with your weight safely placed above your feet, the workpiece does not move and you just pull the saw through it. That is much safer than crosscutting on a table saw where the blade is mostly hidden from view and you are leaning over the table in a less than optimally balanced position and pushing the work through the blade and possibly your fingers along with it.

It is a lot safer. I have a table saw and like having it around. But I confess that having a small shop makes it more of a challenge to use. Instead, I have an older beaver that I use for rough rips and crosscutting. But for most of my rips, a shooting board with a nice blade gives me great cuts and is really quick to setup. I have a radial saw and agree that for smaller and repeated crosscuts, it rules supreme for me. Super stable workpiece and my -5 blade makes climbing nonexistent.

In other words, find which setup works for you and run with it. I use whatever tool I can to make my life easier and make projects end up cleaner. If my shop setup or type of projects change, then my tooling probably will too. Your email address will not be published. Designed and developed by Underscorefunk Design.

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